A bold vision for reconnecting parts of Cleveland that were severed by an interstate decades ago: Today in Oh – cleveland.com
CLEVELAND, Ohio — The nonprofit Campus District wants to demolish the landmark and vacant 1931 Cuyahoga County Juvenile Court Building to make room for a green deck, or “cap,’’ over the Innerbelt freeway trench.
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Here are the questions we’re answering today:
What’s the grand vision for The Campus District in Cleveland that would entail destroying a well-known historical building and have motorists on Interstate 90 going through a tunnel?
Sports gambling won’t start in Ohio until a little more than 6 months from now, but what major step did Ohio take to make sure the gambling can start on Jan. 1?
What’s the point of Cleveland Police agreeing to professional policing if little, private police departments operating in the city can violate the rules that Cleveland officers adhere to? Which departments are not in compliance with the dictates of a consent decree that Cleveland police operate under?
With Ohio’s heavily gerrymandered districts and the disproportionate representation in their Legislature of far-right lawmakers, LGBTQ people feel under siege. So what did President Joe Biden do this week to protect LGBTQ people in Ohio and across the country?
How did an international scheme based in London to bilk old people out of cash through booze get brought down because of someone in Highland Heights?
What is Friend A Felon, and how is the man behind it trying to deal with a chronic issue involving convicted felons?
Where do Ohio’s two Senate candidates stand on the bipartisan gun control bill that Washington lawmakers have agreed to?
Deshaun Watson appeared before reporters for the first time since March this week. What did he say, and what do some of our sports analysts think of it? And how about Condoleeza Rice?
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[00:00:00] Good morning, Lisa Garvin, Laura Johnston, Leila Tossi and everybody who listens to today in Ohio. The news podcast discussion from cleveland.com and the plain dealer. I’m Chris Quinn, and it’s a Thursday. We’ve got stories to talk about. Let’s get started. What’s the grand vision for the campus district in Cleveland that would entail destroying a well known historical building and have motor.
On interstate 90, going through kind of a tunnel lease, a fascinating proposal that dropped yesterday in a Steve Litt story. Yeah. This proposal comes from the campus district incorporated nonprofit. It’s a CDC that resents or represents the east part of downtown, like CSU St. Vincent charity hospital.
Middle and Tri-C Metro campus. So they unveiled a proposal right at the deadline for the county was asking for plans to redevelop the 1931 juvenile court building near east 22nd street. So campus district says, tear it down and [00:01:00] construct a green cap over the Innerbelt trench next to the east 22nd street bridge so that, you know, That’s underground there.
And so the cap would go over it. They want to buy the old juvenile court building for a million dollars and then raise an additional 2 million to demolish it. And people are excited about this. I mean, there’s a lot of support behind this destination, Cleveland greater Cleveland partnership, mayor B and ward five Councilman they’re, they’re all for this.
They see it as a way of opening up the central neighborhood and help mitigate some of the damage that was done by the Innerbelt construction 70 years. Yeah. The, the highway really did do a lot of damage to city neighborhoods by bisecting the city it’s that building is a historic building. It it’s been, been there.
Everybody who drives down I 90 eastbound sees it. And, and it’s been roting now for years since they left it, there are parts of it that are, that are original. A lot of parts that aren’t, I think [00:02:00] I. People who care about historic buildings would hate to see it go. But this is such a dramatic plan to reconnect central to downtown that it’s probably worth getting rid of the building.
Yeah. And even, you know, uh, I don’t have her name in front of me. I’m. Sorry, but someone who is for historic preservations said, well, you know, I get trying to save buildings, but what this could do, what this project could do for the neighborhood is really kind of trumps all of that. And this dovetails with a lot of other plans that are going on in the area.
Um, there’s talk, there’s gonna be redevelopment or the Cedar estate’s public housing. Complex right there on Cedar and east 22nd. And then, um, ODOT is planning to revamp the inner belt at east 22nd. And there’s a possibility for a future bike trail that would connect SL village to these areas as well. So yeah, very intriguing.
It’ll be hugely expensive to put a land bridge over the highway there. Wouldn’t it be nice if you could do [00:03:00] that throughout all of downtown, just, just put that thing underground, restore the city to its natural state of, of being joined together. Just a, this would be a dramatic change that, that I can’t see any downside to except losing that building.
And that’s probably worth doing none of you have been in that building, right? I’m the only ones I’ve been in the building. And I think, yeah, I’ve been in too. But really? Yeah, the idea, I think when I was still a juvenile court is when I was in it. But the thing is, yeah. What it represents, you know, like it’s a historic building.
It is pretty, but like it represents like a, a, you know, period of, of punishing children and I, it was a bad. You know, it didn’t work. That’s why they built a new one, which has its own problems. Like I don’t like what it represents and I think you’re right. CSU butts up right against 90. And nobody wants to walk across that stretch, you know, with the, the fences up.
And if you could do a green cap, I think it would [00:04:00] just open up and like breathe that area so much more. . Yeah, I, I agree. I, I, I mean, again, it’s, it’s expensive beyond imagination to put something over the interstate. We’re talking about doing the same thing, uh, to connect downtown Cleveland to the lake front.
These are expensive projects, but it would be a boost to a neighborhood that needs it. So we’ll have to see how the county responds to that. They want to use their millions of dollars to pump up the med Mart, not projects like this it’s today in Ohio. Sports gambling. Won’t start in Ohio until a little more than six months from now.
What major step did Ohio take to make sure gambling can start on January 1st, Laura, we talked about all the reasons it’s taking forever to launch sports gambling. So kind of interesting to see something actually happens. Some concrete step. Yep. Applications are open. So step right up and get yours, except they are very pricey to put in an [00:05:00] application on.
Uh, so there’s three different. Types providers of online betting platforms with those applications cost $150,000. If you wanna open a physical casino style betting operation, that’s called a sports book, which. Just does not compute in my mind of what that looks like. Um, those applications cost $20,000 and then companies, uh, that run the sports betting and kiosk that appear in certain businesses with liquor licenses, like bars, casinos are sorry, bars, restaurants, and bowling alleys can also apply.
And the casino control commissions gonna start sharing the list of applicants on Friday. So I guess we’ll be able to see it grow in real time. There are a lot of limits. Uh, there are only. Up to, uh, 40 statewide sports puts locations in Kaga county can get five of them. So it’s not just like you’re gonna see these on every.
how will they choose the Ohio? Um, the casino control commission has the final say. I think so. Uh, some of them have [00:06:00] already been approved, like the calves and Caesar entertainment. They know they’re going to get them, uh, pending that state regulatory approval. The Ohio lottery commission also has some. Say, and they’ve got applications for businesses offering the sports betting options.
So they have to approve, um, they’ve approved 555, including 13 in Cleveland. And that, that still goes to the casino control control commission. So there’s two step process. It’d be interesting to see who gets boxed out still a long way off, more than six months before people can gamble, but they will be able to gamble on the Browns when they are in the super bowl.
And then they’ll have to start build. It’ll be interesting to see if these are standalone buildings or they just, these sports books are just part of, you know, the casino and rocket mortgage field house, or if we’re gonna see stand. Well, what kills me about rocket mortgage Fieldhouse. They give us the tour when they’re doing it all up and there’s this big open space.
They said this will be for gatherings and people can rent it. It was designed to be their sports, gambling area. And that’s exactly [00:07:00] where it’s going. They didn’t tell us that when they were hitting up the public for subsidies, for redoing. I know that that’s true. I don’t know that that’s true. I don’t know if that’s true.
That’s where it’s gonna be. I don’t know if that’s true, which is this like the high level with like the Budweiser, like yeah. We’ve reported that that’s where it’s gonna be. It it’s it’s been reported. So if it’s not true, we’ve gotten it wrong. It’s today in Ohio. What’s the point of Cleveland police agreeing to professional policing.
If little private police departments operating in the city can violate the rules that Cleveland officers adhere to, which departments are not in compliance with the dictates of a consent decree that Cleveland police operate under Layla. It kind of undermines the whole thing, right? If everybody doesn’t follow the same rules.
Why have the rules? Yeah, you’re right. Well, so nine police departments, uh, that are op that operate within the city, including Cleveland state universities and, and Kago metropolitan housing authority have these non-binding agreements with [00:08:00] Cleveland that were formed in 2018, requiring those police departments to adopt similar or, or more restric.
Div policies on use of force and vehicle pursuits. They, they also have the same, or they have to have the same or equivalent training as Cleveland officers in areas like use of force, crisis intervention bias, free policing, investory stops to searches and arrests. And they’re supposed to be keeping up with Cleveland police for training and updates.
But once Cleveland entered into these agreements, it seemed that the city never really followed up to make sure that they were being followed. Sort of an out of sight out of mind situation. So, so recently the Cleveland community police commission took it upon themselves to conduct this analysis of how well these departments were complying with those agreements.
And they found that case Western university’s police unit was the only one of these nine departments that was found to. Full compliance. The other eight departments were in partial compliance and most [00:09:00] of the departments in partial compliance were only partially in compliance because of their failures to create civilian review boards.
And these are the boards that are designed to review, investigate and make findings when civilians file complaints against officers. So that’s important stuff. I mean, failing to. A board like that is no small oversight given all the, the journalism that’s been done around racial profiling and misconduct and you know, and policing like, you know, in those jurisdictions.
In fact, one of those stories about university circle police specifically is likely to haunt Chris Roan in the Kaga county executives race. So it’s, uh, it’s, it’s very interesting, good story by Olivia Mitchell on, on the commissions analysis here. it gets back to the question of why there should be private police departments because police are supposed to be accountable.
But if you’re working for university circle, university circle is not accountable and you’re right. [00:10:00] This is gonna dog Chris Renee. And he learned through a Propublican investigation that 90% of the stops in the university circle were black people, which is ridiculous because that is not anywhere close.
Percentage of people driving through. So he claims he put steps in to fix it. And a year later it was up to 95%. So clearly this is a police department that is not adhering to the rules that Cleveland police are trying to adopt. The consent decree made Cleveland police a much better police department.
It gave him more training. It gave him more equipment, but
it also established very clear rules by which they operate under. And we have seen the results. But if you have all these little departments running around doing their own thing, what does that tell the, the citizens? Right. Right. And if you don’t have those civilian review boards, almost none of those other policies matter.
Cause if you, how are you gonna, how you gonna vet, how you gonna hear those complaints? When, when, when the PO other policies go, when you go off the tracks with the [00:11:00] other policies, how, how are yeah. What recourse do civilians have if you don’t have those boards set up? So. Right. Zero accountability. The only, I guess the only place that these little departments are accountable to are to Cleveland, if it enforces the rules, but it just raises questions about why these are not security guards.
Instead of police, they have full police and arrest powers. They’re not accountable to taxpayers. And it’s a, it’s a dangerous situation. As we’ve seen it’s today in Ohio. With Ohio’s heavily gerrymandered legislative districts and the disproportionate representation in the legislature of far right.
Lawmakers, LG BTQ people feel under siege. So what did president Joe Biden do this week to protect LG, BT Q people in Ohio and across the country? Lisa, it’s interesting to see the president using his executive office to try and make some things. Yeah, this is an [00:12:00] executive order that directs all federal agencies to do what they can to protect LGBTQ families and children from a wave of anti LGBTQ legislation being passed all over the country.
There have been 300 such bills introduced in the last 12 months. Um, some of this going on in Ohio, I mean, Ohio lawmakers have don’t say gay legislation. being considered right now to regulate lessons and curriculum on sexual orientation and gender identity. And then the a C L U here filed a lawsuit over a 2021 budget bill provision that allows health providers to deny care to LGBTQ patients based on their conscience.
And then a bill just passed an amendment to a bill, passed the house to van. Gender girls from participating in high school and college sports. Cuz so we’ve got those issues right here in Ohio. Um, and Biden is also gonna host a gay pride month [00:13:00] reception at, at the white house later this month. And he’s, you know, like I said, directing these various agencies, like the health and human services to do what they can to keep these families safe.
Yeah, gerrymandering’s a problem across the country. And it’s resulting in fringe legislators, instead of people who were more Centris, like most of the country passing laws, that pretty much people don’t agree with. And so Biden is offering some relief. He’s also, I saw a story he’s talking about doing the same thing with abortion.
He’s trying to figure out how he can use executive orders. To deal with the right to choose. If the Supreme court follows through very soon on removing its recognition of that as a constitutional right. We know Ohio is gonna move very quickly to outlawed as soon as that happens. And this is really getting scary.
I mean, if you look at the, in the incident in Kelin, Ohio, where they arrested 31 people who looked like they were ready to rumble [00:14:00] and disrupt a gay pride, uh, celebration there, and, you know, there’s, they’ve. A lot of these extremists have pivoted away from CRI critical race theory and pivoted towards attacking LGBTQ people.
It’s pretty scary. Yeah. It’s scary. It’s all of the kind of hate speech that came about during the presidency of Donald Trump. It spurred these groups. The January 6th hearings have shown that, that his calls are, have greatly increased the membership in these hate groups. It’s today in Ohio. How did an international scheme based in London to build old people out of cash through booze get brought down because of someone in Highland Heights, Laura, this is kind of a wacky one making your investment through booze.
Yeah. I had never heard of this one. And just to be clear, a Highland Heights, man, he’s 89 years old, lost $300,000 in it, but a separate unidentified Cuyahoga county, man. We don’t know where from is the one who kind of brought this down because [00:15:00] he was already in trouble with the. And so he played the part to get them to come to Cleveland so that they could arrest the, um, perpetrators of this scheme.
But yeah, it’s British scheme target about 150 elderly people across the country and totaled $13 million by promising. Big returns on investments in rare wine and whiskey. So they would call old people and cold call them, use fake names in British accent and promise huge games. If gains, if people invested in these rare wines and whiskey, but nobody ever got their money back, they were just paying it into a, you know, a black hole.
I, I, it it’s one of those schemes. You think if somebody called me with a British accent and said, Hey, Hey, I can double your money. Buy whiskey. I wouldn’t, you kind of sit back and go, okay, this, this sounds wacky to me. I’m not gonna give my hundreds of thousands of dollars to somebody I don’t know, for a wacky scheme to make money off a whiskey.
Well, you gotta. You gotta be skeptical in this [00:16:00] world. Right? Like I got an email this morning to asking me to like, confirm a delivery of something and you look, look where it’s being sent and who it’s addressed to. And you’re like, Nope, that’s not legit. Right. So that’s why they prey on elderly people because they, they might not be quite as sharp anymore.
And I don’t know, they probably know a lot more about rare wine and whiskey than I do. So they probably sound. Like knowledgeable about it. And the Cuyahoga county man who worked on this, he was already charged in a separate securities fraud case. He acted like he was interested and got them to fly over and meet them.
So this isn’t just like, you know, sending money over the phone. They were really coming here to try to get quote unquote investors. Yeah, I know they were coming here. They were getting people to give them lots of money, all for buying rare whiskey. Just, I mean, you could seems like something, put two kinds of whiskey out in front of me and I, you could put a zillion kinds and I wouldn’t be able to tell you what’s rare.
So good thing they [00:17:00] didn’t try to. Well, I, I just would’ve hung up, obviously. right. Any kind of cold call asking you to invest in something is automatic red flag and so good for the Highland Heights guy for going to the police and ending this thing and stopping anybody else from getting built. What a strange one.
I thought it was the British accent. Right. They can anything. Yeah. You know, I think people trust the British accent. They think it’s like, sounds so much more intelligent than UDDI yeah. Than your average American, you know, Midwestern twang. So, so, so if I called you with my south Jersey accent and full bore, just make you say I’m gonna
buy it. Right. rare water. All right. You’re listening to today in Ohio. What is friend of felon and how is the man behind it, trying to deal with a chronic issue, especially in Cleveland involving convicted felons. A good news story. It is a good news story. Reporter [00:18:00] Alexis Oman tells us that in Ohio one in five felons ends up committing a new crime within three years upon release and then returns to prison.
And then when factor in parole violations, you’re talking about one in three felons returning to prison. And despite the programs that try to help the newly released reenter society. So much stands in their way. And in fact, you know, and, and this really blew my mind more than 850 laws and sanctions are on the books in Ohio, that limit job opportunities for Ohio and with felony convictions.
So they’re struggling to obtain professional licenses and decent jobs and, and housing. So it’s an impossible world for folks trying to start over after they leave, uh, prison. Um, and, and they’re trying, you know, after they’ve paid their debt to society. So, so Sterling. Braden who is 28 years old. And he’s spent some time himself in prison on a felony conviction conviction, and he’s faced, uh, these challenges himself.
He’s invented this app called friend of felon. The point is to help those with felonies on their record, find [00:19:00] work and housing. And he has built this thing from scratch by watching YouTube videos. And it serves about a thousand people so far. It, it helps users connect with employers and property owners who post listings and, and can create matches within seconds.
Absolutely remarkable millennials saving the world. I can’t believe he learned how to create an app from scratch by watching YouTube. I mean, holy moly. I, I tried to learn how to frost a cake by watching YouTube. Don’t ask me how it turned out. Lela that story that Lucas wrote a little bit ago, where like, there was a nonprofit that was created to come up with an app for Cleveland.
How many people did they have working and how much money did they save? I know I was thinking about it the same. Exactly. This is . This is so many more people. Yeah, exactly. Right. So he’s our second major entrepreneur in Cleveland. That’s really doing something about felons returning Brandon Kowski, as we know, has built the whole industry over in the [00:20:00] east side of Cleveland training people in the restaurant.
Business and in the butchering business and all sorts of things having to do with foodie culture, he’s gotten a lot of recognition and now we have a second guy who’s really making a name for himself by helping returning felons, which is huge in Cleveland. What is it? We get one out five. Is that what it is?
Laila? I think that’s the stat is one out of five felons coming back into society is include, I, I, yeah, I’m not exactly sure if that’s it, but I know it is the preponderance of, of, uh, the Kaga county. Is where most of the released, uh, uh, felons return to after. And if they don’t get a second chance, they’re very likely to return to prison.
I mean, it’s in society’s best interest to help them absolutely get back on their feet. So I hope that this, that this, uh, that this guy’s, uh, invention, um, garner some investment is something like this. Yeah. I mean really high tech way to connect people. What a great idea. Yeah, it’s a good story. Check it out on cleveland.com.
It’s [00:21:00] today in Ohio, where do Ohio’s two Senate candidates stand on the bipartisan gun control bill at Washington. Lawmakers have agreed to Lisa. It’s a shame to say this will surprise nobody. No, absolutely nobody. JD Vance was on the bright Bart news bit daily podcast yesterday where he said he wouldn’t vote for bipartisan gun control.
If he was elected, um, he especially. Singled out red flag laws. He says that’s giving a massive amount of power to federal and state governments. He also added that gun violence is tied to inner city, urban crime. That’s a dog whistle. If I ever heard one and he said, this is a bad idea that will not make us safer.
On the other hand, Tim Ryan, he was less loquacious about it, that he did have a Sunday tweet saying that this was an historic step forward in protecting our kids and keeping community safe. Community safe. He also shows that this is what this is what’s [00:22:00] possible when partisan differences are set aside.
Now, Ryan is kind of like a, you know, he’s a kind of a blue collar Democrat in the old school. He previously was known as. Being second amendment friendly, but he’s changed his tune over the years. And as we know this, this proposed legislation includes background checks for people under 21, wanting to buy a gun penalties for trafficking, guns, and stolen guns, and also funding for states to pass red flag laws and to close the boyfriend loophole as.
Yeah, JD Vance is going to do an entire campaign playing to the basis. Most horrible instincts of people. I mean, he, this is going already the most cynical campaign. I think I’ve seen for a November ballot in a statewide race. He’s just gonna go there every time. The idea, this is a ridiculous amount of power.
All, all you’re right. It’s dog whistle stuff. He wants to play to white supremacist. And [00:23:00] racist, and it’s just gonna be horrible to watch this campaign play out. There’s gonna be no rational thought in what he does. He’s it’s like Josh Mandel light. You’re listening to today in Ohio. Deshaun Watson appeared before reporters for the first time, since March this week, what did he say?
And what does some of our sports ALS think of it. And how about condo Lisa Rice? Laura, lots to talk about with Mr. Watson. Yes. So he says he’s innocent. He’s up with upholding that he spoke on Tuesday. This was the first. Day of mandatory mini camp for the Browns says that he has never engaged in the sexual misconduct alleged in the 24 civil lawsuits against him by massage therapist, that’s gonna grow to 26 soon.
He said, I’ve been honest and I’ve been truthful about my stance and that’s never forced anyone. I never assaulted anyone. And he said, that’s what I’ve been saying from the beginning and con gonna continue to do that. The only thing that’s changed from when he talked in March is he did say. Tough on [00:24:00] him to have to put up with this.
And he is seeing therapists or getting help through the Browns organization. He said he has no regrets about anything he’s done. And although he regrets the impact the ordeal has had around him. Yeah, Mary Kay Kat, our chief Browns writer pointed out that that was a major step for him to say he is seeking counseling because the last time he talked, he said, I didn’t do anything wrong.
I don’t need counseling. But you know, since then people are pointing out that he was looking for massage. Therapist on Instagram. Right. Always getting a different one, getting, I forget the number six or something like that. Yeah. Yeah. But the number per month or per week was high. And as people are pointing out, if you find a massage therapist, you like, you generally don’t switch, you stick with the massage therapist.
So there’s a lot of details about it. But on the other hand, what, what if he’s telling the. I mean what, what do you do? I mean, if you, if you really are telling the truth [00:25:00] and that this is all put up job by the lawyer, um, what can you say? What, what, what, what, what else could a guy say except what he said? I don’t know.
um, and then. Condo Le rice is a huge Browns fan. And, and every once in a while, she rings out on the Browns. What does she have to say about this controversy? She says, she’s keeping an open mind until all the facts are evident. She knows the league is doing an investigation and the Browns, and she’s waiting to see what the outcome is.
She says, she knows these are serious matters. Every woman feels that way and that she wants to get to the bottom of it. And she, I, I mean, she’s saying a couple of months, but I, I can’t see that anything when we wrapped up in a couple of months, Lawsuits aren’t even gonna go anywhere until March. So, um, yeah, I feel like this is a weird wait and see kind of feeling, we don’t know what’s gonna happen with Watson.
If, when, if he’s going to play, um, his teammates are vouching for him. He took him to The Bahamas to, for, you [00:26:00] know, work in fun. So he’s doing what he can to kind of endear himself to the organization. Obviously we’ve talked about this before. They’re not backing down, but, um, he still sounds a little tone deaf to me.
the, the league, uh, is sounding more and more like it might make an interim decision that because the investigation won’t be complete, they have to make some kind of decision soon for the upcoming season. So that might be a, a suspension that is temporary until they can figure it out. But he’s likely not to play this year.
Apparently yesterday on a Cleveland radio sports calling show, the fans were. Pretty much unified in saying he should be fine. He shouldn’t be suspended for games. So talk about tone. Right? Well, I was at a thing last night and, um, the center for the Browns was there and, you know, there was a lot of Browns talk and everybody was cheering and I was just like waiting, like, is somebody gonna boo, but there’s no booing.
So Layla I’d like to know who’s [00:27:00] handling his massage needs. Right. , you know, , I, I mean, uh, if, if, why hasn’t he all along? Why, why has he always turned to, to women for, for the, if he has no problem, if this isn’t like a, a, uh, you know, a predator kind of relationship, why hasn’t he had men doing his massage?
Why has it always been women 26 women? Well, 66. I mean, according to New York times, it’s 66 women that he isn’t a single man in the mix. And it’s just odd that you would be looking for your massage therapist on Instagram. Yeah. Right. Well, and, and there’s, there’s your question? The industry and, and why, why not?
Go ahead, Lisa, please. No, that’s the question. Okay. Does a legit massage therapist and I’m going out on a limb. Do legit massage therapists advertise on Instagram. Just throwing that question out there. Yeah, I don’t, I don’t [00:28:00] quite know how he searched for them. I, it just it’s, it’s one of the oddest things that, that, of this case, and, and again, a different one every time.
That that’s not kind of normal. It’s it’s so I don’t know. We’ll see the, the league’s gonna have to make a decision soon and we will surely be talking about this story again. It’s today in Ohio, that wraps up a Thursday. Thanks, Laura. Leila, Lisa. Thanks everybody. You listens. We’ll be back tomorrow to wrap up a week of news.